Justice, fairness, love, equality....all are empity words

[Bwendimu]

If justice, fairness, love and equality are instrument for backwardness, ignorance and poverty, we do not need them. What type of justice you give for a nation that err itself for ever? What type of political fairness you show for stagnant nation that never improve? What type of love you should have towards a peasant who have no knowlege of what so ever yet hold land that he failed to use. Equality? forget that that never exist in universe.

To hell with morality!

[Magenta]

If justice, fairness, love and equality are instrument for backwardness, ignorance and poverty, we do not need them. What type of justice you give for a nation that err itself for ever? What type of political fairness you show for stagnant nation that never improve? What type of love you should have towards a peasant who have no knowlege of what so ever yet hold land that he failed to use. Equality? forget that that never exist in universe.

To hell with morality!

Why, what happened?

[Bwendimu]

Magneta
Hi

History tells us determined societies that are willing to leave behind cultures that rotate on welfare communities and on general justice assumption grew in all spheres. It was through departure from the Greek philosophy and turn to natural science and all its application that the world improved. It is not by meditating on what justice and equality is that Europe changed the world but by turning to simple things of practical life. They changed when people were willing to leave their homes and travel far and discover new lands and learn from new civilizations. They improved when they took drastic measures against their stagnant society that they improved. They improved when they shook the church foundation and questioned its teachings.
America was created by migrants that said enough is enough and left useless Europe that ignored its population. Revolutions that changed societies were very much practical ideas that an ordinary man understood and took part in it. Equality, justice and growth comes when the people are re-created to welcome it.
Ethiopia must be reshafeled and the people must be uprooted mainly on selfish reasons. Cities must be re built in a welplaned manners far from todays cities with more opportunities. Such cities must accept only workers who are willing to live in them. As soon as they move their old land must be sold to those who can utilze them so that any hope of returning back may lost.
Services must be expensive that is supported by high salaries. Why should people work hard if they can travel hundreds of miles by few birr or travel in the cities with twenty five cent bus fare? Development can not happen when every body is underpaid. People will not work if life is easy. Life must be more expensive. The government must tax the people high rate and use such tax to improve the infrustructure so that the people move freely to work.
Filthy individuals who beg than working must be detained. illitrates must be taxed for staying illiterate. The reason is illiterate man make the society to pay for his filthy life and always exposed to poverty. If such people are the majority the country have nothing to lean on. Therefore, staying illiterate can not be part of human right. Those who are crying for human right must provide schools for those who want and improve the status of those who want to change. The role of a government is to be harsh on those who pull the society back.
Poltiical parties must be free. No one has a right to dominate a society by gun. As to have balanced election that send only the best the population must be educated and economic delivery must be equal every where. Any one who use gun to achieve his own political goals must be seen as enemy of peace. Gun must not be the first choice but the last resort.
The only way we can abolish ethnic problems from Ethiopia is not by declaring about its abolishment. But by economic means. It is only when people move from one place to another for their own selfish motives they forget about where they were born and learn to live with their new host. Because tradition population that lived on the same place with a lot of unbalanced growth or political treatment tend to think as one it is not wise to force assimulation by decree. Nor it is good idea to move people from place to place by force. It is done easier only when they move by themselves to the new place for economic reason that their children slowly forget where their fathers came from and stick to culture of the land they are born on.
Simply, church teachings and moral philosophies can not give any meaning if we mean to change our country. We need to cursh backwardness stright.

[welkayit]

The 5,000 persons working in Gilgel Gibe are not going back to their villages.

The Indians Pakistani and Turks are coming with Textiles, because ethiopia will be given free access to EU and US for a long time. Textiles are 3-4 thousand each.

[mitmita]

Bewendimu, I like it all, you are a visionary!!

illitrates must be taxed for staying illiterate

:lol::lol:

[dama978]

Individual notorious enough to hold fatalistic view of society can only bring upon it dooms. Ethiopians should fight off such illogical indivdual who can't connect ideas. It's such ignorant person that threatens and fails progress of society.
Or put differently, those who can't differentiate between rights and moralities should seal their lips voluntarily, if not i can help them cut of their venomous tongues that betrays them.
That's how short my posts are: synthesised, distilled, pure and focused right on target. No trashes.

[Bwendimu]

What did the fanatics brought to society? Washing your bat 5 times a day, bend your ass to skies and pray to no one, Kill people for not praying like you, hmmm many many things. Christians did the same. There are over 150 tabotat in North that have nothing but eat tazkaar and sit for one hundred and fifty days in a year. The social change the Shekiis and qeesiis brought is still visible. The Pentees converted their followers to mad congrigation that act lik mad group. People who pray not work.
The problem with Mederasa trained kids like you is you can not devorce from the past till you go to your grave. You love to take millions with you if you can. Well, we stopped you in Somalia we will in Ethiopia too.

[mitmita]

[dama978]

When he writes many paragraphs, he looses focus, and the whole thing ends up in trash. when he writes one or two paragraphs, he often contradicts himself. Example.

What did the fanatics brought to society?The social change the Shekiis and qeesiis brought is still visible.

The problem this witer has is he lives in his own cocoon, with an outside life only perceived but not experienced. An outside life built by others unawre of their deeds. Muslims. half of oromo including Harar is Muslim. The broadening of the environment he cherishes now out of the fence was achieved at my costs of numerous bloods of Ethiopian.

[mitmita]

:roll::roll::roll: Dama, you definitely need a brake

[sony]

Bwendimu,
Finally you coming back to your senses. In general you are in the right direction. Unfortunately, you are dealing here with primitive people, who think being rich, educated, being ambitious is seen as evil and un-Ethiopian. Look at most Ethiopians, when they see, a poor, neglected, hungry and with tattered close barely dressed person, they think that is real Ethiopian. In contrast, when they see, a well feed and dressed, BMW driving person who overcomes his limitation, even by honest and hard work, they automatically remove his Ethiopian Identity. At least they don’t see him as authentic Ethiopian. Why?

[b]Why is that being poor and uneducated, preferred in Ethiopia?

What kinds of lesson are we transmitting to our people?

Dehenet menu ye-wededal?

Endit sew bedhanetu yekoral?

Lemendenew dehenet yewenetegnaw Ethiopiawi Yemiadergew?

Why are we hostile to others who have escaped the centrifugal power of “Dehenetâ€

[ethiogoogler]

Sony,

I must encourage you to wake on the same side of the bed you did this morning...

[sony]

Zem bel ante kebt, you don't understand this types of discussion!!!

[ethiogoogler]

Ah...

I take it you went back to bed to get up on the usual side.

[Bwendimu]

Ethiopians may have different ethnic background with bad political past. Their relation may have been relation of the rulling and the rulled. Well, we said a lot on that and more or less we are aware about the past injustice.
While our differences are clear on ethnic relation I can see more similarities among our people when it comes to work ethics and how we deal with life. More or less the people are supresticious and believing in suprnatural power is common. They all believe their current political and economic conditions got devine origion. They see 'the hands of god' in every thing. They go on and around without protection of any sort and blame god for STD. They sleap till 10 a.m and blame god for their poverty. They warship authority and believe in religious leaders. While the catholic world believe in infallablity of the pope Ethiopians think the local priests or pasters for that matter the shekiis are infallable and must be followed.
They have lots of old and backward ideas that they still entertain. Most Ethiopians are living for paradise (life after death) because they lost hope in this life. They turned their face from their own reality and pointed to heavens and thought they are living in the ends of the times. They can not understand what time is nor what enternity is. The nation is wrotten becasue of ignorance.
We tend to put every thing at the door of the politician by forgetting the very people who produced thos politcians are incapable of creating better men and women who can lead them to better future. What type of politician you expect from wrotten society? May be a warm that feed on the wounds. That is all.
We as Ethiopians are wrotten. No distinction here. You can not claim becasue you are Tigirian you are unique. Because as Africans we share stagnation, there is no way a single ethnic group can escape that and be clean of such stagnation and wrotten condition. Such wrotten society failed itself. We went to school and mastered in different diciplines (except me) yet failed to creat any new idea or any thing that is worthy for matterial growth. Our philosophers got their degree not by creating new working philosophy but by praising and repeating old philosophies of the west. Our engneers failed us. They forgot to do their jobs in their fields and jumped on political wagon to be our PM or president to achieve their ethnic goals of oppressing others and suppress others strugle for equality.
We have a common ground to stand on. Backwardness is in all of us. It requires our unity to eliminate it. It is the law of growth that if men like to grow they need to work together and make wealth together. It is only accumulated wealth that will assist us to tackle any thing. Poor nation will be defeated in arms becasue it can not compet in creating new arms. It will be back in technological growth because we can not conduct high level experiments and reasurches.
Men will not unite by decree. They will not unite because of the constitution but they unite when they get a reason to be in the union. Economic reason is the best and strong tie we can use to keep our land united and prosper. It is not how good you can fight that matter. War destroys the little we had. It is only economics that can bring west and east, and north to south. Let us give chance for economic growth. Let us see how peoples behave when they have enough to eat and cover on their head. Hungry people are not worthy of winning and dominating. Rulling over beggers never make one a hero.

[dama978]

I urge Ethiopians to speak up against this notorious hate literature. It is one of a kind that could have been written by the intellectual representatives of the KKK. It's insulting the intelligence of our people. It's laughing on the life conditions of Ethiopians. It's condemning the poor for being poor. It's underestimating the efforts of enlightened and educated Ethiopians to improve governance, science and technology, cultures and languages of our people. It's demanding from our people the impossible. Ethiopians are condemned for not living American, British, Japan lives. It's started out of hate of our people without regrad to our people's contextual ralities of life. it's a subjective thesis that has no reflection on the truth of Ethiopians.

Most Ethiopians are either Christians or Muslims as a result of which devil worship or superstiuousness has long been eradicated. if they are seek, they are scientific enough to know a doctor cures diseases. Our people work hard, rise early and come home late. They have challenge authority for bad policies. We toopled haile sellasies' feudal government. We toppled mengistu's military junta and communism. Nonetheless, we are lied upon by a hateful writer as superstituos, lazies and authority worshipers.

Let's destroy hate. let's protect Ethiopia. let's speak up against KKK representative in our midst. Let's silence him. Let's report him to Medrek Admin on his hate literature.

[Magenta]

Bwendimu,

I understand what your goal is, but you have to put a practical framework in place for change to happen and for those goals to be reached. You have to educate people to give them different aspirations to what they had in the past. You cant tax people for being illiterate if you are not willing to fight illiteracy. Taxing the poor highly is not a good ideal and creates unequal society.

And you have to put an educational program together, and a health system as well as a justice system which is open and fair. All these things are not impossible to achieve, but do not happen overnight.

History tells us determined societies that are willing to leave behind cultures that rotate on welfare communities and on general justice assumption grew in all spheres. It was through departure from the Greek philosophy and turn to natural science and all its application that the world improved. It is not by meditating on what justice and equality is that Europe changed the world but by turning to simple things of practical life. They changed when people were willing to leave their homes and travel far and discover new lands and learn from new civilizations. They improved when they took drastic measures against their stagnant society that they improved. They improved when they shook the church foundation and questioned its teachings.
America was created by migrants that said enough is enough and left useless Europe that ignored its population. Revolutions that changed societies were very much practical ideas that an ordinary man understood and took part in it. Equality, justice and growth comes when the people are re-created to welcome it.
Ethiopia must be reshafeled and the people must be uprooted mainly on selfish reasons. Cities must be re built in a welplaned manners far from todays cities with more opportunities. Such cities must accept only workers who are willing to live in them. As soon as they move their old land must be sold to those who can utilze them so that any hope of returning back may lost.
Services must be expensive that is supported by high salaries. Why should people work hard if they can travel hundreds of miles by few birr or travel in the cities with twenty five cent bus fare? Development can not happen when every body is underpaid. People will not work if life is easy. Life must be more expensive. The government must tax the people high rate and use such tax to improve the infrustructure so that the people move freely to work.
Filthy individuals who beg than working must be detained. illitrates must be taxed for staying illiterate. The reason is illiterate man make the society to pay for his filthy life and always exposed to poverty. If such people are the majority the country have nothing to lean on. Therefore, staying illiterate can not be part of human right. Those who are crying for human right must provide schools for those who want and improve the status of those who want to change. The role of a government is to be harsh on those who pull the society back.
Poltiical parties must be free. No one has a right to dominate a society by gun. As to have balanced election that send only the best the population must be educated and economic delivery must be equal every where. Any one who use gun to achieve his own political goals must be seen as enemy of peace. Gun must not be the first choice but the last resort.
The only way we can abolish ethnic problems from Ethiopia is not by declaring about its abolishment. But by economic means. It is only when people move from one place to another for their own selfish motives they forget about where they were born and learn to live with their new host. Because tradition population that lived on the same place with a lot of unbalanced growth or political treatment tend to think as one it is not wise to force assimulation by decree. Nor it is good idea to move people from place to place by force. It is done easier only when they move by themselves to the new place for economic reason that their children slowly forget where their fathers came from and stick to culture of the land they are born on.
Simply, church teachings and moral philosophies can not give any meaning if we mean to change our country. We need to cursh backwardness stright

Dama978, are you jealous?, why do you care what medrekains read? if we can read what you submit in Medrek day and night we can also read Bwendimu. He is not more hateful and divisive than you.

[sony]

Go Bwendimu, Go Bwendimu!!. Give it to them!!!. As I put it in my disclamer, about two years ago, they will start attacking you. but at list tell them the truth and move on. Ke-ensu gar atermtemet.

May be Ethiopia should stretch her hands less to the sky and use it some times for work.

BTW the few educated people you mentioned are using their certificates not to use it as independent thinker or researcher, but to decorate their offices and homes. They are busy sipping coffee and cognac in Hilton and Sheraton hotel. Though they have some constrain in some technical areas, what they spend most of their time is in conspiracy and building aliens to secure their positions and privileges from new comers. Some times, one gets the impression; that they think they have inherited the Degree and their positions.


Dama quchachu, Menew Dengayu endetefenqelebt Quchach honek?
If I didn't know, what you are saying was just only to provoke people to further thinking, I would have been realy mad.


Magneta,

This is the first part of the solution. Recognizing the problem is one of the difficult parts of the solution. So Bwendimu need not solve the problem, though can help address it!!. We all should not behave as consumers but lend a hand demystify and help in finding a solution.

[Naga Tuma]

Unfortunately, you are dealing here with primitive people, who think being rich, educated, being ambitious is seen as evil and un-Ethiopian. Look at most Ethiopians, when they see, a poor, neglected, hungry and with tattered close barely dressed person, they think that is real Ethiopian. In contrast, when they see, a well feed and dressed, BMW driving person who overcomes his limitation, even by honest and hard work, they automatically remove his Ethiopian Identity. At least they don’t see him as authentic Ethiopian. Why?

sony, could you please enlighten me how you reached at the above assertions? BTW, you first reaction to this thread, which incidentally happens to be the first reaction to this post, has been removed. You wrote something like: "then leave Ethiopia". Did you remove it, or do you know why it was removed shortly after it was posted?

[Magenta]

I am in agreement with Bwendimu ideas, but ideas need implementation and structure. Put those in place, they are part of the solution.

This is the first part of the solution. Recognizing the problem is one of the difficult parts of the solution. So Bwendimu need not solve the problem, though can help address it!!. We all should not behave as consumers but lend a hand demystify and help in finding a solution.