Religion is destroying Ethiopia

Share your thoughts and analysis on current issues in Ethiopia.

Postby Naga Tuma » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:03 am

Famous scienists who believed in God...


And here are the world's religions or wisdom traditions that believe in God in one way or another.

Let us start from Africa from the religion I know.

1. Oromo Religion.

Why is it relevant? It probably predates other religions, and could be their source. Here is what Martial De Salviac had to say over a hundred years ago.

"Put side by side the Hebrew Yawah, the Wei of ancient Chinese, the Iowa of the Corianians of Birmanie, the Ewah of the Swahili, the Wata of ancient France, the Waaqa of the Oromo, and acknowledge all that these names offer, at the first glance of the eye, an authentic diploma of antiquity of the good alloy.

From Asia

2. Hinduism

3. Buddhism

4. Confucianism

5. Taoism

From Middle East and Europe

6. Judaism

7. Christianity

8. Islam

As I think, Einstein would understand them all better than many.
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Postby Naga Tuma » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:43 pm

Bwendimu wrote:Did Mosses ever existed? Who is Mosses the law giver? Naga Tuma can tell you who he was.

Hope you are not saying Naga Tuma lived during the time of Moses. Well, I have read about him in some history books. I have shared that in the past, as I share other things I read and understood. Some have been accepted and hope others will be accepted in the future. Some people have already dropped the mythology they have learned from their parents in favor of the truth we have been talking about. And that is not bad at all. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby dorze » Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:11 pm

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If the Bible true I must know it better than you because I am trained priest or paster. I have so many religion classes and came from religious family who are dedicated ignorants. In my youth the church and my father wasted more time on me to force thier nonsense in me. I do not know why I aways vomit. Well, as I grew older, just like any man philosophy, politics and history became things I loved more just like any of you who are here for love of these subjects. We learned from one another fast because of this wonderful technology we got.


Bwendimu, come on man, do not be funny on something which you can not prove or disprove.

Besides you can not curse your family cos they tried to help you with what they thought good for your carrier. Now you are mature and reached to decide your future, here there is nothing wrong. If you love politics and philosophy or history as we do here it does not necessary lead you to ignore the history and proven truth of bible. Yes I agree Ethiopian churches be it orthodox or protestant has problems in motivating youths for job which is against the bible. If you were priest or pastor as per your claim, you would have marched to correct those shortcomings of ignorance.

When the whites speak to one another we listened. We read their goassip and herd about their conspiracy against other races. They told us religion is one of such trap racial that was created long ago.


Ignorance is not private property of blacks, it also exists in white community as equal as blacks or Asians. But here question is why white out smarted blacks in every arena :?: what is difference between blacks and white :?: This is essential question that black elites should answer.


The Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic churches are product of conspiracy of politicians than religious people. The founder of Christianity was not Paul but constantine who cloned pagan religion with idea of the then cult of Christanity.


Though I am not trained priest I agree with your point. There was and is many mess up in history of churches as wel as history of world. This is not surprise for me as far as I know that we are human beings prone to make any kind of mistake. But the underlining truth has been saved many brutual suppression and will be go ahead irrespective of many ignorant eliets or Bewendimus.


Lo and behold today it became some thing from above which came down to us through holy spirit or in case of the Moslem through Gibirl. If you read early days of Mohamad when he was in Mecca and why he was fond of one unifying religion you may reach to the same conclusion.


I do not have idea about Musilim, but I have firm faith on bible. If you do not believe on holyspirit while it is actively working not on old paul days but here on our days, then you will be responsible for your ignorance.



Look I have no intention to divert you from your religious truth. I am discussing it in relation to what it brought to my people.


No, your people or my people have been lived for for thousands of years with paganism. Did they created any thing :?: who protected them :?: Do not say me white or religion :?: If you have any new idea to serve your people just bring here and lets focus on it. Otherwise learn mistakes form Nazzy, communist or roman empire....these all and others tried to destroy the foundation of bible, did they :?: No. So can miskin Bewendium will do :?: just try. FYI, if you attack Orthodox, protestant or catholic religous leaders or organization based on their mistakes , I do support you but when you tried to repeat the mistake of communist I would stand to tell your limit.
When I think of millions who wasted when preaching how Jesus saved the world I get crossed.


So you did not waste your time to write on medrek. Do you know the orgin of modern schools or universities as wel as their scientific bases :?: It is those people who wasted their time. They did what with firm conviction without any turning back regardless of the pain and created the best world for their decedants. Do you think that you can create better world than existing :?: prove us rather than cursing the existing one.

The poor Jesus does not know what people made of him.


yes Jesus was poor to change the poor yet ignorant Bewndimu but he knows what poor Bwendimu is doing it to destroy her or himslef.

God and Jesus have nothing in common because the very Jews religion is as I told is based on paganity and made of assumptions and superstitions.


If you claim that it is paganity why Jewsish people are so famous not only history but also in the existing world. Why their wisdom dominated all over the world :?: Why their philosphy consumed all other paganism :?:
So I am not ignorant to follow something does not change. My forefather were ignorant cos they did not have any alternative rather than worshipping trees and stones, but I am lucky to take the best of world. :!:
If I do not I am ignorant, this is something you missed as a point.



Did Mosses ever existed? Who is Mosses the law giver? Naga Tuma can tell you who he was.


If mosses did not exist who gave the law :?: For me importnat question is not exitstence of Mosses but the wisdom of the law. If you agree someone created the law or gave the law, why you are asking ignorant question it can not be Mosses :?: Did you get the difference :?:


If we mean to save Ethiopia we need to preach paganity as much as we can and still as much soul as we can from religious institutions who are exploiting the youth of their time and their income.


Mengistu already tried eko, did he save Ethiopia :?: I think you are prowoyane , I mean you will not agree if I said mengistu saved Ethiopia.

We need them for this life and for this world. Let God take care of his heven and we take care of our own world. Who cares about what happens to us when we die?

No body has forced you if you do not care for life after death. Yes I agree on changing the bad life of our people in Ethiopia with all reesources and wisdom that we have. But what is point of attacking religous foundation, creating instability and destroying the already weak nation with pre-text of saving Ethiopia as communist.

Only the one who created death worry what he will do to us. See you in hell after all no Orthodox Christian can make to paradise.


I am not orthodox, but I do not have hate for orthodox believers. You have political prolblems with nefexegn class and they used and are using orthodiox as a tool for politics, just criticize that part, why to go arround bush. I do not like chifin tileche. :!:
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Postby sumaii » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:10 pm

"Some people have already dropped the mythology they have learned from their parents in favor of the truth we have been talking about. And that is not bad at all. "
obboo Naga Tuma,
What is truth?
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Postby sony » Tue May 01, 2007 3:15 am

Naga Tuma

Is right. This is the true religion.

look, even animals make their offering to the ancient pagan god. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Naga Tuma » Tue May 01, 2007 6:45 am

sony wrote:Naga Tuma

Is right. This is the true religion.

look, even animals make their offering to the ancient pagan god. :lol: :lol:


Obbo sony

I don't think that dog is giving Virgin Birth, and I don't see a Cross on the tree. It looks like the dog is execrating, a natural process that shows what has entered is coming out partly, and that it doesn't rest inside without entering. That is how nature works in my neck of the wood, as they say it these days. That is also why we celebrate nature. So, how did you link it with "pagan," without knowing the symbols and values of the Paganus Village people somewhere in Europe? Come on now. Your sarcasm needs to be brought to the surface and you might need some lasting lessons. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Naga Tuma » Tue May 01, 2007 6:54 am

sumaii wrote:obboo Naga Tuma,
What is truth?


sumaii,

This is the kind of question some people holding political power ask. I don't know if they think that power and truth are exchangeable.

Obbo Bwendimu also asked similar question in the past. This link shows how the discussion went.
Justice, fairness, love, equality....all are empity words

Here is also a definition of truth from an online dictionary.
the true or actual state of a matter

I hope that helps.
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Postby sefi » Tue May 01, 2007 10:40 pm

Here you go again, I think you two are lost deep in your own world. I am sure you are only pretending to look like an atheists but you are not. You worship more than any one who does so under a religious banner. The only difference between you and others is the subject of worship. You worship yourself while other worships a divine body (God). You think others are fooled for choosing to hold onto something while you clearly know you have no other alternative. You talk about harmony of nature and the advancement of science, as if the latter had ever claimed to have full explanation of the former. Why are you at it again now?
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Postby Naga Tuma » Wed May 02, 2007 4:56 pm

Did I ever write here I am an atheist? I have also never said I am Waaqa to worship myself. And what makes you think Waaqa is not an alternative. I think it is rather you who is lost beyond the deep ocean. Nature Celebration is not the same as Worshipping.
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Postby Shawaye » Fri May 11, 2007 6:25 am

Obbo sony

I don't think that dog is giving Virgin Birth, and I don't see a Cross on the tree. It looks like the dog is execrating, a natural process that shows what has entered is coming out partly, and that it doesn't rest inside without entering. That is how nature works in my neck of the wood, as they say it these days. That is also why we celebrate nature. So, how did you link it with "pagan," without knowing the symbols and values of the Paganus Village people somewhere in Europe? Come on now. Your sarcasm needs to be brought to the surface and you might need some lasting lessons.


Naga Tuma,
Galatoomi. You gave a nice reality check for those who believe in dry wood and tell us that virgin gives birth. No wonder Ethiopia is the last and the least of the wolrd for is ruled by such people now for centuries.
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Postby WakeUp » Mon May 14, 2007 3:14 pm

...false sermons that are based on lies of the Bible....


How dare you call the word of God a lie. T'n'sh fidel koTerkna Egziabhiern mesadeb Jemerk?! You need to repent beloved brother you are deceived. Don't you know the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God?


...Our salvation never comes some where from the skies but from with in....


...But[thou] hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; ....and thou hast praised the gods ........ which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified:( Dan5:23)


REPENT REPENT

all your new age mumbo jumbo wont save you
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Re: Religion is destroying Ethiopia

Postby berndo » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:51 pm

I don't think Ethiopia will servive because of the sin they made when they invade israel 5000 years a go.By the time,Ethiopian had over One million soldiers. Read in the bible 2chr.14 from 9 to 15 or in Ethiopian Bible (Metsihafe zena mewa'ele kali'e page 358 mi'eraf 14 k kutir 9 eske 15) how the true GOD punished Ethiopians not to recover again. Also; in Ethiopian Bible, (Tinbite sofonias page 706 mi'eraf 2 k kutir 12 eske 13. GOD said, You Ethiopians would be killed by my sword). Sword in North Ethiopia?.The orthodox religion followers all over Ethiopia, almost all kebele, woreda, Awuraja, Kifle hager(states) govt job leaders, managers, Administration officers, Judges,commanders, professors, Doctors, Engineers, Experts,university lecturers, law makers and Central Gov politicians (were Orthodox religion followers) who destroyed the country by robbing , stealing, killing innocent people, discriminating minority ethnic groups. Because the political power had been under control of Ethiopian Orthodox religion followers until Mengstu H/mariam govt collapsed. Our muslim, pentekoste and other religion followers had no power until woyane got the power.The most scariest sin was the arc of the covenant that was stolen by menilik I. That was the worest sin of all time. Why Ethiopian priests don't want to teach ugly side of Ethiopia from the Bible?
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